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by Jason Schappert

Density Altitude is something I once never calculated, cared about, or even knew what it was all about. I tell you this because I don’t want you to fall into the same trap I did as a student pilot thousands of hours ago… This Video You’re About To Watch Will Shock You!

Shifting winds, density altitude, runway conditions, etc… All can attribute to similar occurrences to what you’re about to watch.

The best part about this video is I was able to interview the pilot Chris Palmer who’s actually a great friend in the industry.

I promise you’ll walk away from this video a safer pilot. I’m so thankful Chris has shared this footage with us. Remember A Good Pilot Is Always Learning – Jason

Learn More About What Chris Is Doing On His Blog Angle of Attack

What did you think? What are your experiences with density altitude or difficult runway conditions? Tell Me Below!

Text Transcript

Hey everyone. Jason Schappert of MzeroA.com with my buddy here, Chris Palmer. Now, Chris is someone that you guys are quite familiar with. He was on my radio program back on the very first episodes actually and we talked about he does on flyaoamedia.com. We’re talking about that more here in just a second, but Chris had an interesting experience doing some flying and Chris, why don’t you go ahead and introduce yourself first and just tell us a little bit about that flight? We’re gonna cut to a video footage in seconds as well.

Chris:

Alright, so again, my name is Chris Palmer. I own a company, Fly AOA Media… Angle of Attack actually. Flyaoamedia.com is my website. But the particular instance Jason is talking about is a short field takeoff that I was performing in the Pacific Northwest. Everything should have been normal, but as you’ll see in the video, it turned out being a lot scarier than we want it to be for a number of reasons. Initially, I wasn’t gonna share this video but I decided it would have to be a good learning experience so someone could actually.. fly safer than what I experienced and though that time, I did exactly what I knew to do, there were other things that pilot can certainly learn from it.

Jason:

For sure, I mean that is… first, it took guts to put something like that out there because you’re worried about people saying stuff but that’s such a good learning point. I’m so thankful for letting us share that with my viewers, so I really appreciate that. Go ahead now, run me through what was happening. You’re rolling down that runway… you’re used to density altitude. Here, in Florida, we don’t deal with that quite, at least not to that extent, quite as much. You’re in Bonanza, how many people are onboard, and what’s going through your mind while you’re rolling down the runway?

Chris:

So typically, where I fly, we deal with longer runways because of density altitude. This particular runway was 2600 feet long, and it had trees at the end… obviously. And, you know, in private pilot training, they teach you how to deal with soft-field takeoffs and landings and what I learned was.. it’s not always what the FAA says it is. Apart from that, as a pilot, in these types of circumstances, you have to keep your cool. This wasn’t a particular situation where the density altitude was high, it was just the couple of us aboard, and for the FAA short field takeoff requirements and how they say to do it, I did it absolutely to the T… and it wasn’t good. Now would that be a lesson.

Jason:

It’s not that it wasn’t good. I mean, you’re talking to me today so it couldn’t have been that bad. Another thing, do you always film your flights or is this just one where you said, “Hey, I’m gonna film this flight today.”

Chris:

I like to film them a lot. I have several videos that I’ve done. You know, I like to, just like you Jason, show people what I know. We are very blessed to be able to do what we do, especially when people from other countries see what we are able to do. That’s something I like to share, so this is another one of those circumstances that I just kind of want to show people but they ended up capturing something that was a little more interesting than most of the other flights I’ve done.

Jason:

Okay, so let’s wrap this up real quick. I won’t take anymore of your time. You got a, let’s say, a listener or someone who’s watching us right now. He’s in the same situation. They may be in a 172, four people fully loaded with a 2200 foot strip in front of them. What kind of suggestions do you have for that person? How would they know to make a go or no go decision? Put them in your shoes, kind of thing.

Chris:

Everything starts with planning. You have to know the situation you’re in, you gotta know what the aircraft is capable of, and you got to know if you can actually handle that airstrip with the obstacle. In my particular case, everything checked out. This was supposed to be a non-event, we should have been able to go right over the trees. But something happened with the wind that took our margins away and it ended up being a very scary situation where those basic pilot instincts or things that are taught to you like airspeed… you know, I was gonna go through the trees before I lost my airspeed. You just got to be able to keep your cool in that situation, but it all starts with planning.

I guess another point of view is that no set amount of planning is going to save you from situations like this. It’s gonna be your skills or what you do that comes down to it. Now, if you watch the video again, you’ll see that, intuitively, I flew to the left of centerline and went in between some trees. I didn’t even know I had done that until I replayed the video. Just intuitively, I saw that there was a place for me to get out and I went there… that was just a pilot instinct. Those are the things that you build up over time with experience. You can’t necessarily teach all those but, you know you got to keep your cool.

One of the biggest lessons I learned is that you gotta know your aircraft because there were a lot of things about the Bonanza in that situation that I didn’t know about, that are completely contradicting to the FAA procedures and it could’ve made this a much more uncomfortable situation for me.

Jason:

For sure. Well, awesome, Chris. Thank you so much for sharing that video with us. Guys, if you’re interested in checking out what Chris is doing… Chris, tell them about your website real quick and I’ll send down the links below the video.

Chris:

I have kind of a different niche within flying. I teach people how to use flight simulators. We teach a lot of people that weren’t able to fly or are getting ready to fly with the use of flight simulators. They’re some really great tools especially when you’re looking to go into real-world instrument flying. It’s a great place to learn how to get focused on scanning the instruments and stuff like that. That’s kind of our specialty, we’re not into real training but we do the flight simulator. It’s a lot of fun.

Jason:

Awesome. If you guys are interested in learning more about Chris and what he’s doing, there’s some links down beneath this video that you guys can check out.

Chris, thank you so much for your time. Guys, most importantly, remember: a good pilot is always learning. Catch you guys later.

  • http://www.flyaoamedia.com/blog Chris Palmer

    Thanks for the interview, Jason.

    It just goes to show that you need to be on your toes AT ALL TIMES when you are a pilot. Things can happen at any moment.

    Plan the best you can, and have the balls to keep from killing yourself when the time comes.

  • mzeroa

    haha! Great advice Chris! Thanks so much for the interview

    Jason

  • Pmckanna

    I love the comment about flying into the trees before losing airspeed. Fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane…And the plane does not fly without airspeed. Great video. Thanks for sharing…

  • Para376

    Good thing that schphinkter tightening does not adversly affect lift…

  • http://twitter.com/110knots Mike Bennett

    I was blessed with a great instructor in the early days of my private pilot training. He taught. Fly the airspeed and fly the airplane. Always, no exceptions!
    This has saved my life twice now. Once heavy in a 172sp on a short runway and another time with strong wind shear above the trees. In the first case I leveled the airplane just above the runway and let her build speed before climbing out of ground effect. In the second case I had to get back down out of the shear, build speed and then climb back out with a safe margin all the while pointing right at the trees! Yikes! It takes some discipline but if you always fly the airspeed it happens automatically. Great interview and post. Thanks guys..

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  • http://twitter.com/isnoop Ian Maddox

    It would be useful to hear some of specifics on what Chris would have changed if he had to take off again in the exact same scenario knowing what he does now.

  • Grant Johnson

    Fellas….thank you both. Keeping it real, talking about the circumstances that we all could run in to certainly keeps the brain synapes tuned to all the what ifs. And as always Jason, thank you for thinking of the things we need.

  • Greg B

    From someone still in the process of getting my private this is great training material. Thanks Jason

  • mzeroa

    Greg! So glad this could help you!

    Jason

  • mzeroa

    Grant!

    You my friend are SO very welcome! You're doing a heck of a job by getting out there and learning all you can! Thank you sir for all you do!

    Jason

  • mzeroa

    Ian

    I'll mention this to Chris and see if I can get him to reply your way

    Jason

  • mzeroa

    For sure well said

  • mzeroa

    What a great mantra! Mike i'm going to be using that one for sure down the road “fly the airspeed and fly the airplane” that saying alone will save more lives then we can imagine!

    Great!

    Jason

  • mzeroa

    hahaha cracking me up!

  • mzeroa

    AIRSPEED! Man you're correct! Airspeed and fly the airplane above all else

    Jason

  • http://amileofrunway.blogspot.com Steve

    Thanks for posting this, Jason – it's nice to actually hear what Chris has to say about the experience in addition to his written comments over on his blog.

    You might want to post a link to this on the thread on the AOPA Forums about his original video / blog post – I'm sure people would be interested to see this 'update.'

  • mzeroa

    Steve! thanks sure thing i'll do that!

    -Jason

  • Guest

    This video was was an example of what not to do in so many ways… Once you cut through all of the undeserved self congratulatory BS, you will see a perfectly good aircraft being flown improperly with 3 very lucky people on board, one of whom is driving the airplane…

  • Berab2k2

    Cool video. How did you come up with those calculations?

  • mzeroa

    Ok let's be real….

    Funny how you used the name “guest” and hit MY blog with innuendo profanity and little knowledge of the story.

    This is such a teaching point and you're missing it!

    Rather then bashing and pointing out the negative lets take this and learn from it.

    This pilot did the best he could! Crossed his T's and dotted his I's on the ground. Did you not hear him say “Everything checked out”

    I don't delete comments because I've got a great group of guys and gals on here that post so much valuable information. So “Guest” if you'd like to stay a guest I hope you'll also contribute great info like the others.

    Jason

    (For my loyal readers… Sorry you had to see the direct side of Jason :) You guys are the best!)

  • mzeroa

    Thanks, I'll get Chris on here and he should have an answer for you! I wasn't the pilot so I can't help to much

    Jason

  • Albert

    Hi Jason,
    Thanks for sharing. While watching the little clip I had a sense of De ja vu and felt the pucker factor all over again.
    On an afternoon flip in a friends C150 we did a touch and go at a tree lined field which was at 5000 feet above sea level, Unfortunately my Friend rammed the mixture full rich instead of carb heat cold and the tree line loomed ominously.
    Our instructor had always said “aim for the trees” in an attempt to prevent us from pulling up and sacrificing airspeed when we had none to spare.
    The next few minutes of that flight were carried out in absolute silence while we counted our blessings.

    Learn from each experience.

  • mzeroa

    Albert,

    Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed the clip!

    Your story sounds crazy! As a 150 owner I know what you mean! they are so sensitive to things such as weight etc…

    Aim for the trees is a great idea oddly enough! It's all about airspeed

    Jason

  • guest

    I agree with the poster who questions why this guy is trying to convince us as to his “skills”, when he obviously blew his performance calculations and almost killed himself and his passengers. The implied “blaming” of the FAA was the worst part. And to the owner of this site, before you criticize me, I suggest you reflect on the importance of teaching pilots and sharing the REAL lesson learned here, which is BAD pilot judgement.

  • mzeroa

    Dear Guest,

    Not criticizing you, just don't appreciate profane innuendos and “tunnel vision” which you're encompassing on this.

    Let's start with where we agree… The pilot in this story is very lucky.

    However you call this bad judgment… I'd like to disagree. The pilot checked everything out and said it was good performance wise. He never implied to blame the FAA either you're taking a new media spin on his quote as if you were a reported for CNN. (doh!)

    He said he did everything to FAA standards and the outcome wasn't so good. Is that the FAA's fault? Heavens no! He did the best he could and it didn't work out.

    Now if he came online with me and said, hey Jason I cut some corners and really screwed this one up then we could be talking about bad judgment.

    The moral of this story is, the numbers don't always work out and these guys got lucky so maybe next time when you have a bad gut feeling about something however the E6B or computers tell you it's ok maybe or close… Maybe you should follow your gut. That sir is where judgment and Aeronautical Decision Making comes into play. Was his bad? Put yourself in his shoes

    I'm putting my neck out there to make pilots the safest they can be. That's why we're sharing this video.

    I appreciate your comments

    Jason

  • Tom Kelley

    Thanks for your response. Sorry if I seemed overly critical. The key issue with this video, in my mind, is that clearly the pilot took off under conditions in which the performance of the aircraft was below acceptable safety standards. He said that “everything checked out”, so there is a serious gap here. Is he, for example, suggesting that the performance charts in the PoH are inadequate? Or did he perhaps make a mistake in calculating weights or required distances considering density altitude, etc. If the plane is older or the engine is not performing as it once did, this too should have been taken into account. I just think it is unsafe to suggest that pilots sometimes “just have to use skill”, when skill cannot be relied upon to make up for inadequate performance calculations. These kinds of dangerous performance issues do not just happen. when crashes in similar situations occur, the accident investigations almost always conclude that the pilot either exceeded performance limits or cut them too close, relying on “perfect” conditions.

    Let me also take this opportunity to thank you for your time and effort to provide this valuable forum.

  • mzeroa

    Tom!

    Thank you! Thank you for being real and being you! Your opinion is very welcome here. I hope none of my words came off as harsh as you can tell from my videos i'm anything but mean and rude.

    You're right, there are a lot of what ifs? Your point about being an older engine is SO TRUE and one I hadn't thought of.

    Pilots should never be put or put themselves in a situation where they needed to use their “skill” that's for sure.

    The thing is SO MUCH can change one second you have a headwind the next a tailwind. The real point we need to drive home to students is keep their butts on the ground if it's “close” it's not worth it and I believe we can both agree that this video proves that

    Jason

  • Susan

    So what happened? what were some of the things he “didn't know” about the Bonanza? what SORT of additional planning would have helped? what was the density altitude, temperature, gross weight of the airplane etc? You guys seem to say two contradictory things: (1) Chris did everything right before the flight, “everything should have been normal,” and yet (2) there are some additional things that pilots could learn. WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS? It sounds like he's blaming the FAA requirements for his problems? From a teaching standpoint, I foud this video disappointing.

  • mzeroa

    Susan,

    Thanks for the comment. The teaching point behind this is not everything go's as planned. You can check everything and have all the numbers match up but still have a different result.
    Why? Winds change, conditions change, the teaching point is you NEED to know how to make a go or no go decision. If the numbers seem close why push it?

    Jason

  • Susan

    I see. I'd have found it MUCH more useful — and the claim that “all the numbers matched up” more credible — had you guys reviewed for us exactly what those “numbers” were — what-all went into the flight planning, what the margins were, and why they weren't adequate.

    I'm a student pilot, and am still trying to learn this stuff. Perhaps I'm over-simplifying, but this seems like just the sort of “checking the numbers” that my flight instructor has me do for every flight. That's why I made time to watch this video: Density altitude is something I struggle with, especially since I fly in Florida where, as you say, it's usually not that big a factor.

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