Comments on: Video: Uncontrolled Airport Operations http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/ Because A Good Pilot Is Always Learning Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: mzeroa http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3022 mzeroa Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:20:42 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3022 @Dusty<br><br>Dusty, For the the sake of this video we're remaining in the pattern not departing. I don't confuse upwind with departure. We were never leaving the airport to make a "departure call"<br><br>The AIM says (4-3-1 (c))<br><br>Upwind leg - A flight path parallel to the landing runway in the direction of landing<br><br>Departure leg - A flight path that begins after takeoff and continues straight ahead along the extended runway centerline. The departure climb continues until reaching a point at least 1/2 mile beyond the departure end of the runway and within 300 ft of traffic pattern altitude.<br><br>The terms upwind and departure have been readily exchanged for on another. I believe upwind is the most commonly used in the traffic pattern. Especially if one is doing pattern work<br><br>-Jason @Dusty

Dusty, For the the sake of this video we're remaining in the pattern not departing. I don't confuse upwind with departure. We were never leaving the airport to make a “departure call”

The AIM says (4-3-1 (c))

Upwind leg – A flight path parallel to the landing runway in the direction of landing

Departure leg – A flight path that begins after takeoff and continues straight ahead along the extended runway centerline. The departure climb continues until reaching a point at least 1/2 mile beyond the departure end of the runway and within 300 ft of traffic pattern altitude.

The terms upwind and departure have been readily exchanged for on another. I believe upwind is the most commonly used in the traffic pattern. Especially if one is doing pattern work

-Jason

]]> By: dusty rhoades http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3021 dusty rhoades Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:27:12 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3021 Upwind and departure are not the same thing, read the FAR/AIM !!!!<br><br>I'm looking for you in different place's depending on your call. Upwind and departure are not the same thing, read the FAR/AIM !!!!

I'm looking for you in different place's depending on your call.

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-1792 Jason Schappert Mon, 11 May 2009 11:49:40 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-1792 Hi Mike, Very interesting! I've never heard of that. The only method mentioned in the AIM is the 45 to downwind entry. Take a look at AIM 4-3-3. It maybe possible your airport exercises non-standard procedures and this is just considered the norm. Let me know what you find out! -Jason Hi Mike,

Very interesting! I’ve never heard of that. The only method mentioned in the AIM is the 45 to downwind entry. Take a look at AIM 4-3-3.

It maybe possible your airport exercises non-standard procedures and this is just considered the norm.

Let me know what you find out!

-Jason

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3689 Jason Schappert Mon, 11 May 2009 11:49:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3689 Hi Mike, Very interesting! I've never heard of that. The only method mentioned in the AIM is the 45 to downwind entry. Take a look at AIM 4-3-3. It maybe possible your airport exercises non-standard procedures and this is just considered the norm. Let me know what you find out! -Jason Hi Mike,

Very interesting! I’ve never heard of that. The only method mentioned in the AIM is the 45 to downwind entry. Take a look at AIM 4-3-3.

It maybe possible your airport exercises non-standard procedures and this is just considered the norm.

Let me know what you find out!

-Jason

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3690 Jason Schappert Mon, 11 May 2009 11:49:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3690 Hi Mike, Very interesting! I've never heard of that. The only method mentioned in the AIM is the 45 to downwind entry. Take a look at AIM 4-3-3. It maybe possible your airport exercises non-standard procedures and this is just considered the norm. Let me know what you find out! -Jason Hi Mike,

Very interesting! I’ve never heard of that. The only method mentioned in the AIM is the 45 to downwind entry. Take a look at AIM 4-3-3.

It maybe possible your airport exercises non-standard procedures and this is just considered the norm.

Let me know what you find out!

-Jason

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3691 Jason Schappert Mon, 11 May 2009 11:49:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3691 Hi Mike, Very interesting! I've never heard of that. The only method mentioned in the AIM is the 45 to downwind entry. Take a look at AIM 4-3-3. It maybe possible your airport exercises non-standard procedures and this is just considered the norm. Let me know what you find out! -Jason Hi Mike,

Very interesting! I’ve never heard of that. The only method mentioned in the AIM is the 45 to downwind entry. Take a look at AIM 4-3-3.

It maybe possible your airport exercises non-standard procedures and this is just considered the norm.

Let me know what you find out!

-Jason

]]> By: Mike Bennett http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-1788 Mike Bennett Mon, 11 May 2009 02:57:34 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-1788 Couldn't you also join the upwind on a 45 as apposed to the overhead teardrop method? Let me know. This is standard procedure at the field I was trained at. Thanks. Couldn’t you also join the upwind on a 45 as apposed to the overhead teardrop method? Let me know. This is standard procedure at the field I was trained at. Thanks.

]]> By: Mike Bennett http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3687 Mike Bennett Mon, 11 May 2009 02:57:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3687 Couldn't you also join the upwind on a 45 as apposed to the overhead teardrop method? Let me know. This is standard procedure at the field I was trained at. Thanks. Couldn’t you also join the upwind on a 45 as apposed to the overhead teardrop method? Let me know. This is standard procedure at the field I was trained at. Thanks.

]]> By: Mike Bennett http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3688 Mike Bennett Mon, 11 May 2009 02:57:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3688 Couldn't you also join the upwind on a 45 as apposed to the overhead teardrop method? Let me know. This is standard procedure at the field I was trained at. Thanks. Couldn’t you also join the upwind on a 45 as apposed to the overhead teardrop method? Let me know. This is standard procedure at the field I was trained at. Thanks.

]]> By: Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-1780 Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net Sat, 09 May 2009 17:31:11 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-1780 Interesting to see the differences between different countries. In Switzerland, we enter downwind directly under 90 degrees, be it from inside our outside. In France the standard procedure is to cross downwind and rejoin with a 270° turn. UK does something a bit similar, with descent on dead-side. I never heard of the kind of entry your shown, with the teardrop turn... at least on this side of the Atlantic. Interesting to see the differences between different countries. In Switzerland, we enter downwind directly under 90 degrees, be it from inside our outside. In France the standard procedure is to cross downwind and rejoin with a 270° turn. UK does something a bit similar, with descent on dead-side.

I never heard of the kind of entry your shown, with the teardrop turn… at least on this side of the Atlantic.

]]> By: Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3684 Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net Sat, 09 May 2009 17:31:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3684 Interesting to see the differences between different countries. In Switzerland, we enter downwind directly under 90 degrees, be it from inside our outside. In France the standard procedure is to cross downwind and rejoin with a 270° turn. UK does something a bit similar, with descent on dead-side. I never heard of the kind of entry your shown, with the teardrop turn... at least on this side of the Atlantic. Interesting to see the differences between different countries. In Switzerland, we enter downwind directly under 90 degrees, be it from inside our outside. In France the standard procedure is to cross downwind and rejoin with a 270° turn. UK does something a bit similar, with descent on dead-side.

I never heard of the kind of entry your shown, with the teardrop turn… at least on this side of the Atlantic.

]]> By: Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3685 Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net Sat, 09 May 2009 17:31:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3685 Interesting to see the differences between different countries. In Switzerland, we enter downwind directly under 90 degrees, be it from inside our outside. In France the standard procedure is to cross downwind and rejoin with a 270° turn. UK does something a bit similar, with descent on dead-side. I never heard of the kind of entry your shown, with the teardrop turn... at least on this side of the Atlantic. Interesting to see the differences between different countries. In Switzerland, we enter downwind directly under 90 degrees, be it from inside our outside. In France the standard procedure is to cross downwind and rejoin with a 270° turn. UK does something a bit similar, with descent on dead-side.

I never heard of the kind of entry your shown, with the teardrop turn… at least on this side of the Atlantic.

]]> By: Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3686 Vincent, from PlasticPilot.net Sat, 09 May 2009 17:31:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3686 Interesting to see the differences between different countries. In Switzerland, we enter downwind directly under 90 degrees, be it from inside our outside. In France the standard procedure is to cross downwind and rejoin with a 270° turn. UK does something a bit similar, with descent on dead-side. I never heard of the kind of entry your shown, with the teardrop turn... at least on this side of the Atlantic. Interesting to see the differences between different countries. In Switzerland, we enter downwind directly under 90 degrees, be it from inside our outside. In France the standard procedure is to cross downwind and rejoin with a 270° turn. UK does something a bit similar, with descent on dead-side.

I never heard of the kind of entry your shown, with the teardrop turn… at least on this side of the Atlantic.

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-1762 Jason Schappert Wed, 06 May 2009 19:31:05 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-1762 That's great! Hopefully the video helped quite a bit. Your contest prize you won is REALLY going to help. You'll be sounding like a pro in a few hours! That’s great! Hopefully the video helped quite a bit. Your contest prize you won is REALLY going to help. You’ll be sounding like a pro in a few hours!

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3681 Jason Schappert Wed, 06 May 2009 19:31:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3681 That's great! Hopefully the video helped quite a bit. Your contest prize you won is REALLY going to help. You'll be sounding like a pro in a few hours! That’s great! Hopefully the video helped quite a bit. Your contest prize you won is REALLY going to help. You’ll be sounding like a pro in a few hours!

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3682 Jason Schappert Wed, 06 May 2009 19:31:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3682 That's great! Hopefully the video helped quite a bit. Your contest prize you won is REALLY going to help. You'll be sounding like a pro in a few hours! That’s great! Hopefully the video helped quite a bit. Your contest prize you won is REALLY going to help. You’ll be sounding like a pro in a few hours!

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3683 Jason Schappert Wed, 06 May 2009 19:31:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3683 That's great! Hopefully the video helped quite a bit. Your contest prize you won is REALLY going to help. You'll be sounding like a pro in a few hours! That’s great! Hopefully the video helped quite a bit. Your contest prize you won is REALLY going to help. You’ll be sounding like a pro in a few hours!

]]> By: Danny V http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-1759 Danny V Wed, 06 May 2009 03:30:23 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-1759 I had the instructor do the complicated calls (joining the circuit and such) but I handled the easier ones. Next time he said I'm doing all the calls. I had the instructor do the complicated calls (joining the circuit and such) but I handled the easier ones. Next time he said I’m doing all the calls.

]]> By: Danny V http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3678 Danny V Wed, 06 May 2009 03:30:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3678 I had the instructor do the complicated calls (joining the circuit and such) but I handled the easier ones. Next time he said I'm doing all the calls. I had the instructor do the complicated calls (joining the circuit and such) but I handled the easier ones. Next time he said I’m doing all the calls.

]]> By: Danny V http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3679 Danny V Wed, 06 May 2009 03:30:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3679 I had the instructor do the complicated calls (joining the circuit and such) but I handled the easier ones. Next time he said I'm doing all the calls. I had the instructor do the complicated calls (joining the circuit and such) but I handled the easier ones. Next time he said I’m doing all the calls.

]]> By: Danny V http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3680 Danny V Wed, 06 May 2009 03:30:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3680 I had the instructor do the complicated calls (joining the circuit and such) but I handled the easier ones. Next time he said I'm doing all the calls. I had the instructor do the complicated calls (joining the circuit and such) but I handled the easier ones. Next time he said I’m doing all the calls.

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-1753 Jason Schappert Tue, 05 May 2009 09:59:49 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-1753 Awesome Danny! Let me know how it goes! -Jason Awesome Danny! Let me know how it goes!

-Jason

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3676 Jason Schappert Tue, 05 May 2009 09:59:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3676 Awesome Danny! Let me know how it goes! -Jason Awesome Danny! Let me know how it goes!

-Jason

]]> By: Jason Schappert http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-3677 Jason Schappert Tue, 05 May 2009 09:59:00 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-3677 Awesome Danny! Let me know how it goes! -Jason Awesome Danny! Let me know how it goes!

-Jason

]]> By: Danny V http://www.m0a.com/uncontrolled-airspace/comment-page-1/#comment-1750 Danny V Tue, 05 May 2009 03:53:01 +0000 http://www.m0a.com/?p=784#comment-1750 Perfect! I've been reading about this all day in anticipation of my first flight at an uncontrolled airport tomorrow! Perfect! I’ve been reading about this all day in anticipation of my first flight at an uncontrolled airport tomorrow!

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